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		<title>By: jenks</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. thanks for posting this. it actually occured to me last night at s.i. how i&#039;m completely intimidated about going to sxsw. i looked around at all these people, at all my friends, all these designers, performers, visual creators, event producers, and i thought about how on earth i&#039;d ended up one of them? i don&#039;t do any of that. and it dawned on me then that i am also not a programmer, nor a designer, nor do i even technically work in the online industry. so why on earth am i going to sxsw? like....how the hell do i explain what i&#039;m doing there? 

it makes perfect sense to me what i&#039;m doing among the circus, now. and it actually makes perfect sense to me what i&#039;m going to sxsw for...i&#039;ve just never really articulated it. i feel like maybe the answer has a lot to do with what you&#039;re talking about, so i should probably try.

i work with a team of people, with a company, in an &quot;industry&quot; where our end-creations are all about connecting people. it is about giving people meaningful, powerful experiences and enabling all kinds of interactions. (and i do mean...ALL kinds). it is now even becoming a channel for affecting change as well. this has been the evolution of event creation as i have seen it. this is what the do lab does.

the motivations that would fuel a passion for connecting people are the same wether or not the means of that connection are virtual or not. i completely understand this motivation. it&#039;s the shit that gets me excited! it&#039;s the shit that&#039;s getting me to brave a conference for an industry that i&#039;m not a member of (...yet, i guess) just to meet and learn from other people who understand this same motivation.

i can&#039;t imagine there could be &quot;posing&quot; for such a motivation. either you&#039;re compusively fascinated by the prospect of creating &quot;experiences&quot; for people and letting them &quot;connect&quot; through those experiences.....or.....you know....you write code and push pixels. (am i allowed to say that?) 

the &quot;revolution&quot; of connecting people isn&#039;t the sole property of the internet (check out oprah), but what is revolutionary about the internet is that it can give the connection that people have always sought, and continue to seek, a new....dimension. not that this is any kind of newsflash, but perhaps it&#039;s useful to keep it all in perspective. the internet is a part of a continuum. a part that expands others exponentially, but it is not independent of them. 

or, at least.....that&#039;s my uniformed, outsider&#039;s take on all this. 

the other part i wanted to say is that all scenes are pretty much exactly the same. whether they call themselves a scene, a community, or an industry. and they all resemble high school. they all have shittalkin and namecalling in their own terms. (just imagine what the &quot;poser&quot; backlash is in a scene that&#039;s highly driven by aesthetics and performance). there are always going to be people who are willing to step outside the mold, not just willing...eager, excited, with an inherent desire to push things forward. visionary enough to say, fuck the mold, i&#039;ve got a better idea. 

in an industry and a community and a scene that thrives on innovation, i&#039;d think it&#039;s the people who are trying to keep the mold the same who are the ones posing.

~j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. thanks for posting this. it actually occured to me last night at s.i. how i&#8217;m completely intimidated about going to sxsw. i looked around at all these people, at all my friends, all these designers, performers, visual creators, event producers, and i thought about how on earth i&#8217;d ended up one of them? i don&#8217;t do any of that. and it dawned on me then that i am also not a programmer, nor a designer, nor do i even technically work in the online industry. so why on earth am i going to sxsw? like&#8230;.how the hell do i explain what i&#8217;m doing there? </p>
<p>it makes perfect sense to me what i&#8217;m doing among the circus, now. and it actually makes perfect sense to me what i&#8217;m going to sxsw for&#8230;i&#8217;ve just never really articulated it. i feel like maybe the answer has a lot to do with what you&#8217;re talking about, so i should probably try.</p>
<p>i work with a team of people, with a company, in an &#8220;industry&#8221; where our end-creations are all about connecting people. it is about giving people meaningful, powerful experiences and enabling all kinds of interactions. (and i do mean&#8230;ALL kinds). it is now even becoming a channel for affecting change as well. this has been the evolution of event creation as i have seen it. this is what the do lab does.</p>
<p>the motivations that would fuel a passion for connecting people are the same wether or not the means of that connection are virtual or not. i completely understand this motivation. it&#8217;s the shit that gets me excited! it&#8217;s the shit that&#8217;s getting me to brave a conference for an industry that i&#8217;m not a member of (&#8230;yet, i guess) just to meet and learn from other people who understand this same motivation.</p>
<p>i can&#8217;t imagine there could be &#8220;posing&#8221; for such a motivation. either you&#8217;re compusively fascinated by the prospect of creating &#8220;experiences&#8221; for people and letting them &#8220;connect&#8221; through those experiences&#8230;..or&#8230;..you know&#8230;.you write code and push pixels. (am i allowed to say that?) </p>
<p>the &#8220;revolution&#8221; of connecting people isn&#8217;t the sole property of the internet (check out oprah), but what is revolutionary about the internet is that it can give the connection that people have always sought, and continue to seek, a new&#8230;.dimension. not that this is any kind of newsflash, but perhaps it&#8217;s useful to keep it all in perspective. the internet is a part of a continuum. a part that expands others exponentially, but it is not independent of them. </p>
<p>or, at least&#8230;..that&#8217;s my uniformed, outsider&#8217;s take on all this. </p>
<p>the other part i wanted to say is that all scenes are pretty much exactly the same. whether they call themselves a scene, a community, or an industry. and they all resemble high school. they all have shittalkin and namecalling in their own terms. (just imagine what the &#8220;poser&#8221; backlash is in a scene that&#8217;s highly driven by aesthetics and performance). there are always going to be people who are willing to step outside the mold, not just willing&#8230;eager, excited, with an inherent desire to push things forward. visionary enough to say, fuck the mold, i&#8217;ve got a better idea. </p>
<p>in an industry and a community and a scene that thrives on innovation, i&#8217;d think it&#8217;s the people who are trying to keep the mold the same who are the ones posing.</p>
<p>~j</p>
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		<title>By: Lan Bui</title>
		<link>http://www.mickipedia.com/posers/comment-page-1/#comment-44079</link>
		<dc:creator>Lan Bui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, am I a poser?</description>
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		<title>By: Hanzo</title>
		<link>http://www.mickipedia.com/posers/comment-page-1/#comment-44041</link>
		<dc:creator>Hanzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. There&#039;s a part of me that says, &quot;who the f*&amp;k cares about the gossip and bad-mouthing.&quot; Specifically, who the f*&amp;k cares about what geezers like Dvorak have to say? (Granted I wasn&#039;t on the receiving end of the whole TWiT incident. Plus, I&#039;m a huge fan of Violet Blue, so I think those boys are dicks anyway ;-).)

Isn&#039;t the real value of this hallowed technology we&#039;re talking about the fact that for the first time all this cool stuff is accessible (and transparent) to all who want it? The playing field is levelling more quickly than ever before.

What does this mean? Probably more than ever before you can be judged on merit. Sure, not everyone&#039;s going to be great at creating content (come on, most of the crap out there will suck), but it&#039;s out there and will be judged by people who care (or don&#039;t care for that matter). I think that&#039;s pretty cool!

Call me a poser or whatever you want, but you know what? I&#039;m able to tell my stories in a way that was impossible (or at least really difficult) a few years ago. That&#039;s KILLER!

As far as elitist geeks go, think about who&#039;s buying what you&#039;re building. It&#039;s not other elitist geeks, cos they&#039;re building their own s*$t and it&#039;s way better than yours. Think about IT! 

Yes, I believe in the betterment of man-kind, but I also believe that it must be grounded in the real world too. That&#039;s the REAL challenge for geeks isn&#039;t it? Give the world what you&#039;ve built so they can use it then go on and build something else that they didn&#039;t have already. If you&#039;re really all that you&#039;d always be a step ahead of us posers wouldn&#039;t you?

Anyway, great post, Micki! Keep going!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. There&#8217;s a part of me that says, &#8220;who the f*&amp;k cares about the gossip and bad-mouthing.&#8221; Specifically, who the f*&amp;k cares about what geezers like Dvorak have to say? (Granted I wasn&#8217;t on the receiving end of the whole TWiT incident. Plus, I&#8217;m a huge fan of Violet Blue, so I think those boys are dicks anyway <img src='http://www.mickipedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .)</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the real value of this hallowed technology we&#8217;re talking about the fact that for the first time all this cool stuff is accessible (and transparent) to all who want it? The playing field is levelling more quickly than ever before.</p>
<p>What does this mean? Probably more than ever before you can be judged on merit. Sure, not everyone&#8217;s going to be great at creating content (come on, most of the crap out there will suck), but it&#8217;s out there and will be judged by people who care (or don&#8217;t care for that matter). I think that&#8217;s pretty cool!</p>
<p>Call me a poser or whatever you want, but you know what? I&#8217;m able to tell my stories in a way that was impossible (or at least really difficult) a few years ago. That&#8217;s KILLER!</p>
<p>As far as elitist geeks go, think about who&#8217;s buying what you&#8217;re building. It&#8217;s not other elitist geeks, cos they&#8217;re building their own s*$t and it&#8217;s way better than yours. Think about IT! </p>
<p>Yes, I believe in the betterment of man-kind, but I also believe that it must be grounded in the real world too. That&#8217;s the REAL challenge for geeks isn&#8217;t it? Give the world what you&#8217;ve built so they can use it then go on and build something else that they didn&#8217;t have already. If you&#8217;re really all that you&#8217;d always be a step ahead of us posers wouldn&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Anyway, great post, Micki! Keep going!</p>
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		<title>By: lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while I agree that the tool/content disctinction is an important one (and one that people keep stumbling over when wroking with or commenting on electonic music as well, but for different reasons), I think it is a little arrogant to assume that the &quot;technology is becoming more invisible.&quot; That is also only half the equation. Content providers are themselves becoming more tech-savvy as well and many of them actually do multiple things which blur those distinct lines even more (violet blue&#039;s mechanical work with SRL for instance). Go back to &quot;just because it is built, doesn’t mean people will come use it&quot; and start over. Do not collect $200.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while I agree that the tool/content disctinction is an important one (and one that people keep stumbling over when wroking with or commenting on electonic music as well, but for different reasons), I think it is a little arrogant to assume that the &#8220;technology is becoming more invisible.&#8221; That is also only half the equation. Content providers are themselves becoming more tech-savvy as well and many of them actually do multiple things which blur those distinct lines even more (violet blue&#8217;s mechanical work with SRL for instance). Go back to &#8220;just because it is built, doesn’t mean people will come use it&#8221; and start over. Do not collect $200.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just re-read my own comment and those that followed.

I should clarify that I have met an awful lot of wonderful people in the past couple of years.  People that I consider to be genuinely good human beings, people who genuinely care about community, and people who want to make a change in the world.

I am trying to soak up this time for all it&#039;s worth.  Business and money change things -- we&#039;ve seen some of that paraded out in public for everyone to see already.  

I just hope that for once this revolution is also genuine.  I&#039;ve been hurt by revolutions before.  *sniff*  Do you hear me HIP-HOP?  *sob*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just re-read my own comment and those that followed.</p>
<p>I should clarify that I have met an awful lot of wonderful people in the past couple of years.  People that I consider to be genuinely good human beings, people who genuinely care about community, and people who want to make a change in the world.</p>
<p>I am trying to soak up this time for all it&#8217;s worth.  Business and money change things &#8212; we&#8217;ve seen some of that paraded out in public for everyone to see already.  </p>
<p>I just hope that for once this revolution is also genuine.  I&#8217;ve been hurt by revolutions before.  *sniff*  Do you hear me HIP-HOP?  *sob*</p>
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		<title>By: drew olanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew olanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) you cannot put a price on creative vision and knowledge of community
2) just because it is built, doesn&#039;t mean people will come use it.  this isn&#039;t the field of dreams.
3) not only do the folks at pluggd appreciate the work i do, but they respect and value it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) you cannot put a price on creative vision and knowledge of community<br />
2) just because it is built, doesn&#8217;t mean people will come use it.  this isn&#8217;t the field of dreams.<br />
3) not only do the folks at pluggd appreciate the work i do, but they respect and value it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brogan...</title>
		<link>http://www.mickipedia.com/posers/comment-page-1/#comment-43988</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brogan...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, and excellent comments. I left the world of wireless technology, where my company was doing what might be considered some bleeding edge tech. And you know what? My job was completely uninteresting. I was part of a machine. I was a cog. 

Enter Internet-enabled media. Social media. New media. Whatever. Content, as TheDaniel has said. 

I find these fascinating people and meet with them every day. I connect with passionate, energized folks who are trying new things, expanding their creative minds, and reaching out to touch more and more people. Some of what we&#039;re &quot;discovering&quot; is so lo-fi and low-tech compared to the entertainment industry&#039;s standards. Most of the new tech we use, we&#039;re users coming up with our methods. 

Posers? I used to use that word back in high school when I thought Metallica and Megadeth were *way* cooler than Guns and Roses. But uh, that was high school. 

Seems like a fun fight for others to have. I&#039;m over here hanging out with my own personal rockstars (like having crepes with you in LA). 

Kickass post and great comments! - Chris...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and excellent comments. I left the world of wireless technology, where my company was doing what might be considered some bleeding edge tech. And you know what? My job was completely uninteresting. I was part of a machine. I was a cog. </p>
<p>Enter Internet-enabled media. Social media. New media. Whatever. Content, as TheDaniel has said. </p>
<p>I find these fascinating people and meet with them every day. I connect with passionate, energized folks who are trying new things, expanding their creative minds, and reaching out to touch more and more people. Some of what we&#8217;re &#8220;discovering&#8221; is so lo-fi and low-tech compared to the entertainment industry&#8217;s standards. Most of the new tech we use, we&#8217;re users coming up with our methods. </p>
<p>Posers? I used to use that word back in high school when I thought Metallica and Megadeth were *way* cooler than Guns and Roses. But uh, that was high school. </p>
<p>Seems like a fun fight for others to have. I&#8217;m over here hanging out with my own personal rockstars (like having crepes with you in LA). </p>
<p>Kickass post and great comments! &#8211; Chris&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to support Micki&#039;s points a little more directly, I&#039;ve been making my livelihood on the net for over twelve years, and it&#039;s never been just about programmers and designers.  The people who got me into the web in the early nineties were artists, writers, musicians and filmmakers I was working with.  Some of us became designers and programmers out of necessity, but you better believe that didn&#039;t last long. As soon as we could afford to, we&#039;d hired people to design and program.   And without people (like me) who made the choice to mortgage their lives and take out personal loans to keep the salaries coming when times got hard -- well, that&#039;s a whole other story. 

The internet wouldn&#039;t have gotten off the ground without the risktakers, the thinkers, the networkers, the activists and everyone else who jumped in back then.  It&#039;s the same now. Only so much better, since the design tools, the programming tools are open sourced and available to anyone.   You don&#039;t have to know anything about design or programming anymore to launch something that can be meaningful to people.   The people making the internets good like Micki are my heroes.  Programmers and designers out there, y&#039;all better recognize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to support Micki&#8217;s points a little more directly, I&#8217;ve been making my livelihood on the net for over twelve years, and it&#8217;s never been just about programmers and designers.  The people who got me into the web in the early nineties were artists, writers, musicians and filmmakers I was working with.  Some of us became designers and programmers out of necessity, but you better believe that didn&#8217;t last long. As soon as we could afford to, we&#8217;d hired people to design and program.   And without people (like me) who made the choice to mortgage their lives and take out personal loans to keep the salaries coming when times got hard &#8212; well, that&#8217;s a whole other story. </p>
<p>The internet wouldn&#8217;t have gotten off the ground without the risktakers, the thinkers, the networkers, the activists and everyone else who jumped in back then.  It&#8217;s the same now. Only so much better, since the design tools, the programming tools are open sourced and available to anyone.   You don&#8217;t have to know anything about design or programming anymore to launch something that can be meaningful to people.   The people making the internets good like Micki are my heroes.  Programmers and designers out there, y&#8217;all better recognize.</p>
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		<title>By: mickikrimmel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mickikrimmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the daniel, I see your distinction. But you and I have now worked at the same company two jobs in a row. Do we work in different industries? I guess part of my point here is that the tech industry and the content industry are merging. Everyone has a role to play and I&#039;d venture to guess that they&#039;re equally important and take as much skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the daniel, I see your distinction. But you and I have now worked at the same company two jobs in a row. Do we work in different industries? I guess part of my point here is that the tech industry and the content industry are merging. Everyone has a role to play and I&#8217;d venture to guess that they&#8217;re equally important and take as much skill.</p>
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		<title>By: veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think all hope is lost. Even just recently I&#039;ve met several people (or started talking to them online) who obviously still have a huge love and enthusiasm for this community. And speaking of community, every single one will have some people who just don&#039;t get it, or who are in it for the wrong reasons. What can you do? That&#039;s how the world is. But if you keep doing things with enthusiasm, it&#039;ll always be contagious. OK, enough soapbox... it&#039;s too early for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think all hope is lost. Even just recently I&#8217;ve met several people (or started talking to them online) who obviously still have a huge love and enthusiasm for this community. And speaking of community, every single one will have some people who just don&#8217;t get it, or who are in it for the wrong reasons. What can you do? That&#8217;s how the world is. But if you keep doing things with enthusiasm, it&#8217;ll always be contagious. OK, enough soapbox&#8230; it&#8217;s too early for me.</p>
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